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GORILLA Home/Business Storage 3 ADJ SHELF Steel Racking 97" BEAM 6 FT High FRAME

$ 158.39

Availability: 100 in stock
  • Return shipping will be paid by: Buyer
  • All returns accepted: Returns Accepted
  • Item must be returned within: 30 Days
  • Condition: GENTLY USED DISTRIBUTION BUSINESS WAREHOUSE
  • Country/Region of Manufacture: United States
  • Refund will be given as: Money back or replacement (buyer's choice)

    Description

    The Original GORILLA Home Business Storage 3 ADJ SHELF Steel Racking 97" BEAM 6 FT HIGH FRAME. Not compatible with the inferior and cheaper Edsal racks currently being sold at Menards Home Improvement Stores.  More information and reviews regarding this at the bottom of this listing description.
    THIS LISTING CONSISTS OF:
    3 END FRAMES - 6FT HEIGHT 2 FT WIDE
    16 BEAMS - 97" IN LENGTH
    16 TIE SUPPORTS 2 FT LENGTH AND ALL ASSOCIATED HARDWARE
    2000 LB LOAD PER BEAM PAIR
    BEAMS FOR SHELVING ADJUSTABLE UP AND DOWN END FRAMES
    END FRAMES CAN ACCOMMODATE  AS FEW AS 2 BEAM PAIRS OR AS MANY AS 4 OR MORE PAIRS.
    ADDITIONAL BEAMS CAN BE PURCHASED SEPARATELY -
    ALL MESSAGING AND TRANSACTIONS  MUST BE VIA EBAY - WILL SET UP A SEPARATE LISTING FOR ADDITIONAL BEAMS UPON BUYER REQUEST
    LOCAL PICK UP ONLY - RACKING IS DISASSEMBLED AND AVAILABLE FOR PICK UP BY APPOINTMENT AT OUR LOCATION IN STEGER, IL  60475
    LOCAL DELIVERY AND SET UP AVAILABLE FOR ADDITIONAL CHARGE - ALL MESSAGING AND TRANSACTIONS  MUST BE VIA EBAY - WILL SET UP A LISTING FOR THESE SERVICES UPON BUYER REQUEST
    THANK YOU FOR CHECKING THIS LISTING
    MORE INFOMATION AND REVIEWS REGARDING GORILLA RACKS:
    Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Fayetteville, AR Posts: 38
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I guess we are talking about two different iterations of Gorilla Racks. Mine are pretty old. My original Gorilla Racks don't have the "Z" indentations of the Muscle Rack or the Edsals. They have a nice wrinkle finish and smooth shelf supports with metal front to back crossbraces under the shelves. Also the slotted angle vertical supports are of a nice heavy gauge metal so that they don't require those splice collars.
    02-23-2017, 12:11 AM
    #22
    Senior Member
    Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: MiamiDade/Broward Co. Florida Posts: 2,592
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I recently bought the Whirlpool Corp. brand Gladiator storage racks. I didn't want used pallet racks in my new garage, and I found the Gladiator brand offered at Home Depot and Sears. I bought mine at Sears. The size I got was 74" H x 77" L X 18" D. Each shelf has a welded wire shelf piece, supported by two stamped-steel brackets and a bearing lip around the circumference of each shelf structural perimeter. No tools are needed to assemble it, and the shelves are rated for this size at 2,000 lb. apiece, there are 4 shelves, so 8,000 lb. for the unit. I think they may be similar to the old Edsal but these are capable of supporting much weight. I had a particular need for a 13" deep shelf, so I modified the end structural members, reducing them from 18" to 13". I use a combination of wood and box-section aluminum to change the depth and cut the welded wire shelf units to fit. My primary need was to support the weight and bulk of a collection of vinyl L.P's, which I've acquired over 50 years of collecting. That, and tools. The modified shelves are very sturdy, and they fit in the space on the sides of my garage 'returns' from the overhead door sides to the side wall. I think the Gladiator products are of good quality, they clip
    What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? - Page 2 https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7513598#pos...
    1 of 7 12/12/2018, 7:22 AM
    together, and are capable of supporting a lot of weight. They are hammertone powder-coated. I've included some pics of the mods to the shelves. I bought my shelves at Sears for 9 before taxes, they normally sell for 0. They have different sizes, primarily in shorter lengths. I have two 6 ft.+ units and a 5 ft. unit along one wall of my average two-car garage. Last edited by driftpin; 02-23-2017 at 12:13 AM.
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    #23 Senior Member
    Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Toledo Ohio Posts: 1,537
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I have several of the Edsel shelves in my barn, and I cut OSB to fit over the wire shelving, painted them and they are very nice. Bought most of them from Menards, but I did pick up a couple units from Costco recently, they had they same sale price as menards ,, but the ones from Costco were like 10 feet instead of 6 wide,,, It says 3000lbs per shelf and I believe it. __________________ MADE IN USA FOR ME. I BELIEVE IN A GLOBAL ECONOMY, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY I BELIEVE IN HELPING MY AMERICAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS Last edited by PeterT; 02-23-2017 at 05:59 AM.
    09-05-2018, 09:19 AM
    #24 Member
    Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 51
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I have the Whalen racks from Costco circa 2015. Currently, they are available in "2 packs" for 0 with free delivery. They were, if I recall, right, rated at 3000 lbs. There are indications that the newer racks are rated at 2000 lbs, but I haven't confirmed.
    What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? - Page 2 https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7513598#pos...
    2 of 7 12/12/2018, 7:22 AM
    Recently, in a bind, I bought the Gladiator rack from Lowes. They were available at 9 each. They are rated at 2000 lbs. Here's what I know: 1) 2015 Whalen racks are definitely heavier gauge steel. They're also a different finish - a flat, probably a bed-liner like urethane. Flat. In terms of fit, they're about the same. 2) 2018 Gladiator racks and 2018 Whalen racks list out at about the same weight - 179 for Gladator and 183 for Whalen, in the package - makes me think these are fairly identical products. 3) 2000/3000 lbs, I'd use either. Good solid products. If you buy 2 racks, you can really remove the cross braces on top and bottom, span, both and end up with a 3rd rack...
    09-05-2018, 10:24 AM
    #25
    Senior Member
    Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: MiamiDade/Broward Co. Florida Posts: 2,592
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? Quote: Originally Posted by dcg9381 I have the Whalen racks from Costco circa 2015. Currently, they are available in "2 packs" for 0 with free delivery. They were, if I recall, right, rated at 3000 lbs. There are indications that the newer racks are rated at 2000 lbs, but I haven't confirmed. Recently, in a bind, I bought the Gladiator rack from Lowes. They were available at 9 each. They are rated at 2000 lbs. Here's what I know: 1) 2015 Whalen racks are definitely heavier gauge steel. They're also a different finish - a flat, probably a bed-liner like urethane. Flat. In terms of fit, they're about the same. 2) 2018 Gladiator racks and 2018 Whalen racks list out at about the same weight - 179 for Gladator and 183 for Whalen, in the package - makes me think these are fairly identical products. 3) 2000/3000 lbs, I'd use either. Good solid products. If you buy 2 racks, you can really remove the cross braces on top and bottom, span, both and end up with a 3rd rack... The Whalen racks are rated at 2,000 lbs/shelf and have two cross pieces supporting the shelf. https://www.costco.com/Whalen
    What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? - Page 2 https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7513598#pos...
    3 of 7 12/12/2018, 7:22 AM
    Indust...100341995.html The Whirlpool Corp. 'Gladiator' 77" wide shelves are rated at 2,000 lbs/shelf and have 3 cross-braces per shelf. For me, the 3 cross-braces offers more support than the Whalen two cross-braces. Lowe's currently has the Gladiator 77" wide shelves from Gladiator for 9 apiece, HD has them now at 9 when I checked this past week. The Gladiator shelves you can also 'gang'-together, using three end uprights for two end-to-end units. Best Buy also carries the Gladiator line. I have 6 in different sizes and am very satisfied w/them. Last edited by driftpin; 09-05-2018 at 10:37 AM.
    09-05-2018, 11:18 AM
    #26 Senior Member
    Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Alta Loma, CA Posts: 766
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I have some old Gorilla Racks in the garage at the office from the early '90s. They are painted green, and definitely heavier gauge than the current Gorilla Racks (I have a couple of those at home). Some are taller, too: the uprights are 8' tall. I do have some that are 6', too.
    11-03-2018, 11:19 PM
    #27 Junior Member Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I have a number of Gorilla Racks, 97 inch nominal. They are 5 to 10
    What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? - Page 2 https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7513598#pos...
    4 of 7 12/12/2018, 7:22 AM
    Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: illinois Posts: 3
    years old. Recently, I went to Menards to get some more shelf rails. they looked similar but not quite. Bought two, took to shop and found that they were 1/8 inch too long (97-1/8) and would not fit any of the old shelves I have. I talked to Menards and they gave a contact in California that could not provide a drawing or other info. Apparently, Gorilla Rack no longer exists. What Menards sold me came from China. I recall all original Gorilla Rack was made in the USA. I would like to get some more 97inch shelf rails but only the so-called 'replacement' types, e.g. Extreme Garage by Menards, are to be found and they did not fit for me. BTW, the units at Menards are rectangular tube, the originals are open.
    11-04-2018, 12:00 PM
    #28
    Senior Member
    Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Paradise Calif Posts: 403
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I built a workbench using Gorilla Racks, and bought an extra couple "just in case". Way better quality than what's available now. And it's true they were made in the USA, see pic. . __________________ Good judgement comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgement.
    11-04-2018, 07:02 PM
    #29 Junior Member
    Join Date: Nov 2018 Location:
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? Quote: Originally Posted by akalian I built a workbench using Gorilla Racks, and bought an extra couple
    What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? - Page 2 https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7513598#pos...
    5 of 7 12/12/2018, 7:22 AM
    illinois Posts: 3
    "just in case". Way better quality than what's available now. And it's true they were made in the USA, see pic. . Interesting finding. Upon looking at the photos, these are very different than the Made In USA Gorilla Racks from a few years back that I have. The difference is both in the standards and rails. Also, Rapid Rack Industries does not show this kind of product on that web page. It would be interesting to get the phone number on the package and call it. When I called the number on the paper that came with my old shelves, it rang as no longer in service.
    11-05-2018, 08:25 AM
    #30 Senior Member
    Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 2,351
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? As I'm reading this thread, a Gorilla Glue commercial came on. With the explosion of Gorilla products in the past years, I bet they bought the name from them to eliminate confusion between the products/companies.
    11-07-2018, 02:34 PM
    #31 Senior Member Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? Quote: Originally Posted by mslim Price? Well that's another issue. I felt like the shelving units themselves were very fairly priced at 7 each. The freight charge (mine came Yellow Freight or YRC as they're now called) was stiff at 5 + a upcharge for residential delivery. Maybe you're luckier than me, but anytime something is delivered to me truck
    What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? - Page 2 https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7513598#pos...
    6 of 7 12/12/2018, 7:22 AM
    Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Hamrick Lake, TX Posts: 2,726
    freight, there's always an element of FUBAR and WTF. Apparently these guys had the shipment at their local terminal on Thursday but couldn't get it 20 miles to my door until Tuesday. Nothing was bent and driver used his pallet jack to roll the pallet to my garage and waited while I stripped the goods off the pallet and he hauled the pallet away. So kudos there. Slim I always have mine shipped to the nearest freight terminal for pickup. Usually a lot cheaper than any home delivery. They will load your pickup or trailer for you.
    11-14-2018, 10:21 PM
    #32 Junior Member
    Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: illinois Posts: 3
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I found the Menard's version of the Gorilla Rack to be incompatible lengthwise with the original, Made In USA sold a few years ago. I tried the recent Menard's version and the 97inch are just too long to fit into my existing units. Just today, i got some original racks from a shop that was closing. they were on ebay and the images were just as advertisedso, if you need to retro fit some older units, you might be able to find some second hand like I did. John, the seller, was very helpful and had a number more of the units. I picked up, not sure if they ship.
    What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? - Page 2 https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7513598#pos...
    7 of 7 12/12
    Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Fayetteville, AR Posts: 38
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I guess we are talking about two different iterations of Gorilla Racks. Mine are pretty old. My original Gorilla Racks don't have the "Z" indentations of the Muscle Rack or the Edsals. They have a nice wrinkle finish and smooth shelf supports with metal front to back crossbraces under the shelves. Also the slotted angle vertical supports are of a nice heavy gauge metal so that they don't require those splice collars.
    02-23-2017, 12:11 AM
    #22
    Senior Member
    Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: MiamiDade/Broward Co. Florida Posts: 2,592
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I recently bought the Whirlpool Corp. brand Gladiator storage racks. I didn't want used pallet racks in my new garage, and I found the Gladiator brand offered at Home Depot and Sears. I bought mine at Sears. The size I got was 74" H x 77" L X 18" D. Each shelf has a welded wire shelf piece, supported by two stamped-steel brackets and a bearing lip around the circumference of each shelf structural perimeter. No tools are needed to assemble it, and the shelves are rated for this size at 2,000 lb. apiece, there are 4 shelves, so 8,000 lb. for the unit. I think they may be similar to the old Edsal but these are capable of supporting much weight. I had a particular need for a 13" deep shelf, so I modified the end structural members, reducing them from 18" to 13". I use a combination of wood and box-section aluminum to change the depth and cut the welded wire shelf units to fit. My primary need was to support the weight and bulk of a collection of vinyl L.P's, which I've acquired over 50 years of collecting. That, and tools. The modified shelves are very sturdy, and they fit in the space on the sides of my garage 'returns' from the overhead door sides to the side wall. I think the Gladiator products are of good quality, they clip
    What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? - Page 2 https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7513598#pos...
    1 of 7 12/12/2018, 7:22 AM
    together, and are capable of supporting a lot of weight. They are hammertone powder-coated. I've included some pics of the mods to the shelves. I bought my shelves at Sears for 9 before taxes, they normally sell for 0. They have different sizes, primarily in shorter lengths. I have two 6 ft.+ units and a 5 ft. unit along one wall of my average two-car garage. Last edited by driftpin; 02-23-2017 at 12:13 AM.
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    #23 Senior Member
    Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Toledo Ohio Posts: 1,537
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I have several of the Edsel shelves in my barn, and I cut OSB to fit over the wire shelving, painted them and they are very nice. Bought most of them from Menards, but I did pick up a couple units from Costco recently, they had they same sale price as menards ,, but the ones from Costco were like 10 feet instead of 6 wide,,, It says 3000lbs per shelf and I believe it. __________________ MADE IN USA FOR ME. I BELIEVE IN A GLOBAL ECONOMY, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY I BELIEVE IN HELPING MY AMERICAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS Last edited by PeterT; 02-23-2017 at 05:59 AM.
    09-05-2018, 09:19 AM
    #24 Member
    Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 51
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I have the Whalen racks from Costco circa 2015. Currently, they are available in "2 packs" for 0 with free delivery. They were, if I recall, right, rated at 3000 lbs. There are indications that the newer racks are rated at 2000 lbs, but I haven't confirmed.
    What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? - Page 2 https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7513598#pos...
    2 of 7 12/12/2018, 7:22 AM
    Recently, in a bind, I bought the Gladiator rack from Lowes. They were available at 9 each. They are rated at 2000 lbs. Here's what I know: 1) 2015 Whalen racks are definitely heavier gauge steel. They're also a different finish - a flat, probably a bed-liner like urethane. Flat. In terms of fit, they're about the same. 2) 2018 Gladiator racks and 2018 Whalen racks list out at about the same weight - 179 for Gladator and 183 for Whalen, in the package - makes me think these are fairly identical products. 3) 2000/3000 lbs, I'd use either. Good solid products. If you buy 2 racks, you can really remove the cross braces on top and bottom, span, both and end up with a 3rd rack...
    09-05-2018, 10:24 AM
    #25
    Senior Member
    Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: MiamiDade/Broward Co. Florida Posts: 2,592
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? Quote: Originally Posted by dcg9381 I have the Whalen racks from Costco circa 2015. Currently, they are available in "2 packs" for 0 with free delivery. They were, if I recall, right, rated at 3000 lbs. There are indications that the newer racks are rated at 2000 lbs, but I haven't confirmed. Recently, in a bind, I bought the Gladiator rack from Lowes. They were available at 9 each. They are rated at 2000 lbs. Here's what I know: 1) 2015 Whalen racks are definitely heavier gauge steel. They're also a different finish - a flat, probably a bed-liner like urethane. Flat. In terms of fit, they're about the same. 2) 2018 Gladiator racks and 2018 Whalen racks list out at about the same weight - 179 for Gladator and 183 for Whalen, in the package - makes me think these are fairly identical products. 3) 2000/3000 lbs, I'd use either. Good solid products. If you buy 2 racks, you can really remove the cross braces on top and bottom, span, both and end up with a 3rd rack... The Whalen racks are rated at 2,000 lbs/shelf and have two cross pieces supporting the shelf. https://www.costco.com/Whalen
    What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? - Page 2 https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7513598#pos...
    3 of 7 12/12/2018, 7:22 AM
    Indust...100341995.html The Whirlpool Corp. 'Gladiator' 77" wide shelves are rated at 2,000 lbs/shelf and have 3 cross-braces per shelf. For me, the 3 cross-braces offers more support than the Whalen two cross-braces. Lowe's currently has the Gladiator 77" wide shelves from Gladiator for 9 apiece, HD has them now at 9 when I checked this past week. The Gladiator shelves you can also 'gang'-together, using three end uprights for two end-to-end units. Best Buy also carries the Gladiator line. I have 6 in different sizes and am very satisfied w/them. Last edited by driftpin; 09-05-2018 at 10:37 AM.
    09-05-2018, 11:18 AM
    #26 Senior Member
    Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Alta Loma, CA Posts: 766
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I have some old Gorilla Racks in the garage at the office from the early '90s. They are painted green, and definitely heavier gauge than the current Gorilla Racks (I have a couple of those at home). Some are taller, too: the uprights are 8' tall. I do have some that are 6', too.
    11-03-2018, 11:19 PM
    #27 Junior Member Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I have a number of Gorilla Racks, 97 inch nominal. They are 5 to 10
    What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? - Page 2 https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7513598#pos...
    4 of 7 12/12/2018, 7:22 AM
    Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: illinois Posts: 3
    years old. Recently, I went to Menards to get some more shelf rails. they looked similar but not quite. Bought two, took to shop and found that they were 1/8 inch too long (97-1/8) and would not fit any of the old shelves I have. I talked to Menards and they gave a contact in California that could not provide a drawing or other info. Apparently, Gorilla Rack no longer exists. What Menards sold me came from China. I recall all original Gorilla Rack was made in the USA. I would like to get some more 97inch shelf rails but only the so-called 'replacement' types, e.g. Extreme Garage by Menards, are to be found and they did not fit for me. BTW, the units at Menards are rectangular tube, the originals are open.
    11-04-2018, 12:00 PM
    #28
    Senior Member
    Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Paradise Calif Posts: 403
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I built a workbench using Gorilla Racks, and bought an extra couple "just in case". Way better quality than what's available now. And it's true they were made in the USA, see pic. . __________________ Good judgement comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgement.
    11-04-2018, 07:02 PM
    #29 Junior Member
    Join Date: Nov 2018 Location:
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? Quote: Originally Posted by akalian I built a workbench using Gorilla Racks, and bought an extra couple
    What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? - Page 2 https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7513598#pos...
    5 of 7 12/12/2018, 7:22 AM
    illinois Posts: 3
    "just in case". Way better quality than what's available now. And it's true they were made in the USA, see pic. . Interesting finding. Upon looking at the photos, these are very different than the Made In USA Gorilla Racks from a few years back that I have. The difference is both in the standards and rails. Also, Rapid Rack Industries does not show this kind of product on that web page. It would be interesting to get the phone number on the package and call it. When I called the number on the paper that came with my old shelves, it rang as no longer in service.
    11-05-2018, 08:25 AM
    #30 Senior Member
    Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 2,351
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? As I'm reading this thread, a Gorilla Glue commercial came on. With the explosion of Gorilla products in the past years, I bet they bought the name from them to eliminate confusion between the products/companies.
    11-07-2018, 02:34 PM
    #31 Senior Member Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? Quote: Originally Posted by mslim Price? Well that's another issue. I felt like the shelving units themselves were very fairly priced at 7 each. The freight charge (mine came Yellow Freight or YRC as they're now called) was stiff at 5 + a upcharge for residential delivery. Maybe you're luckier than me, but anytime something is delivered to me truck
    What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? - Page 2 https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7513598#pos...
    6 of 7 12/12/2018, 7:22 AM
    Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Hamrick Lake, TX Posts: 2,726
    freight, there's always an element of FUBAR and WTF. Apparently these guys had the shipment at their local terminal on Thursday but couldn't get it 20 miles to my door until Tuesday. Nothing was bent and driver used his pallet jack to roll the pallet to my garage and waited while I stripped the goods off the pallet and he hauled the pallet away. So kudos there. Slim I always have mine shipped to the nearest freight terminal for pickup. Usually a lot cheaper than any home delivery. They will load your pickup or trailer for you.
    11-14-2018, 10:21 PM
    #32 Junior Member
    Join Date: Nov 2018 Location: illinois Posts: 3
    Re: What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? I found the Menard's version of the Gorilla Rack to be incompatible lengthwise with the original, Made In USA sold a few years ago. I tried the recent Menard's version and the 97inch are just too long to fit into my existing units. Just today, i got some original racks from a shop that was closing. they were on ebay and the images were just as advertisedso, if you need to retro fit some older units, you might be able to find some second hand like I did. John, the seller, was very helpful and had a number more of the units. I picked up, not sure if they ship.
    What happened to REAL Gorilla Racks? - Page 2 https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=7513598#pos...
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